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Self Knowledge Reveals That Love is There Only When I am Unaware

"You can know yourself only when you are unaware, when you are not calculating, not protecting, not constantly watching to guide, to transform, to subdue, to control; when you see yourself unexpectedly, that is, when the mind has no preconceptions with regard to itself, when the mind is open, unprepared to meet the unknown.

If your mind is prepared, surely you cannot know the unknown, for you are the unknown. If you say to yourself, “I am God,” or “I am nothing but a mass of…

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Posted by Pilgrim on September 15, 2018 at 7:19am — 2 Comments

Love is not where desire is

If desire is Love vanishes .And the world generally moves thru desires only, therefore, we find so much conflicts generally in this world

Thus love is absent to a significant measure!

And the result is great chaos only!And thus we generally live!

Posted by kant on September 15, 2018 at 12:30am — 2 Comments

Where Love is fear is not

Where Love is there is no fear,thus man can move or not move from Earth point of view.And he is totally free and he or she emits fragrance of sweetness and brilliance of love only.

Thus love only is the criteria of unalloyed happiness here and everywhere.

This can be reflected upon only and he or she can feel the truth of this statement  instantaneously.

Posted by kant on September 12, 2018 at 11:36pm — 5 Comments

Meditation

becomes a movement of facts when the meditator ends.

Posted by Si on September 4, 2018 at 10:19pm — 19 Comments

Kavanaugh Hearing (as relates to better understanding K) Reincarnation Part 2 (previous:Blog Format/ Re Reincarnation)

I stopped coming here so much because several of the people sound to me like the same person, whether in actuality they be so or not. Maybe many K people tend to sound the same?  *There is a certain variety (meaning different kinds of genetic brains)  that is one of the preconditions for there to be a generative seeding, and I am not finding that here but AM finding it most every other place I go,  both online and in my daily life. This said, I have glanced here today and noticed there is a…

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Posted by wry on September 4, 2018 at 12:24pm — 12 Comments

Tabula rasa

Drop K, drop Buddha, drop Advaita, Taoism, the pathless path, choiceless awareness, enlightenment ... 

Where does that leave you? 

Posted by Rick on September 4, 2018 at 7:30am — 117 Comments

Sharing and Caring.

When listening and reading we use the brain. But do we realise that the use of the brain is not where this ends? Consider, thinking about conflict. Do you see this is automatically conceptualised? The conflict is taken to refer to incidence of conflict, theories and examples of conflict. So conflict is understood as an external affair and we consider our role, our participation, our thinking about it. We may even refer to an enlightened understanding of conflict.

What we miss is the…

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Posted by Peter Stephens on September 4, 2018 at 2:00am — 2 Comments

Freedom From, "What Is"

"Being virtuous comes through the understanding of what is, whereas becoming virtuous is postponement, the covering up of what is with what you would like to be. Therefore in becoming virtuous you are avoiding action directly upon what is. This process of avoiding what is through the cultivation of the ideal is considered virtuous; but if you look at it closely and directly you will see that it is nothing of the kind. It is merely a postponement of coming face to face with what is.…

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Posted by Pilgrim on August 30, 2018 at 7:19pm — 36 Comments

"Only when it is utterly quiet..."

As the sun rose, a magnificent cloud caught it, sending streaks of blue light across the sky. It was light playing with darkness and the play went on till the fantastic cloud went down behind the thousand chimneys. How curiously petty the brain is, however intelligently educated and learned. It will always remain petty, do what it will; it can go to the moon and beyond or go down into the deepest parts of the earth; it can invent, put together the most complicated machines, computers that…

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Posted by Si on August 30, 2018 at 4:00pm — 12 Comments

Change

What do we mean by the problem of sex? Is it the act, or is it a thought about the act? Surely, it is not the act. The sexual act is no problem to you any more than eating is a problem to you, but if you think about eating or anything else all day long because you have nothing else to think about, it becomes a problem to you... Why do you build it up, which you are obviously doing? The cinemas, the magazines, the stories, the way women dress, everything is building up…

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Posted by Daniel on August 27, 2018 at 8:00pm — 9 Comments

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    Dialogue 157 Replies

         I read in the forums that there are suggestions by various individuals (Bohm, Lee, Prof. Krishna) on how to dialogue. Notably absent are suggestions by Krishnamurti himself, on how to proceed in dialogue. Any comments on this startling omission?Continue

    Started by randal Patrick Shacklett. Last reply by Dave 3 hours ago.

    What does it mean to drop the past? 104 Replies

    I am the past. That's all I am; that's the entirety of me. Can I be quiet about it and let it fade away? Then there is something that is not touched by the past, something that is not me. It is not awareness; it is not the present; it has no name, no identity. That can meet anything. The difficulty is that we don't just drop the past; we are always seeking something to replace it. Si: Drop the past, how? May we just keep the question going? I think there is a little confusion in the way of the…Continue

    Started by Paul Dimmock. Last reply by bruce sean 3 hours ago.

    the stained pool of CONSCIOUSNESS & the perpetual narrative dissonance of'' THE ME IS MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR ME''...what happens when the psychological ME ..dies. 50 Replies

    appears there has been no posts for almost a year other than some comments in other's post.So here goes...all by myself,have some leisure so few lines on the stained pool,the movement of thought as it moves disorderly beyond it's capabilities.Time is thought or thought is time .when it is not functioning as it should.,not the chronological variety but time as ,TO BE or NOT TO BE ,to BECOME the ingrained movement in the brain cells. This movement of  THOUGHT is a pool of energy destructive and…Continue

    Started by mohd ali. Last reply by mohd ali 6 hours ago.

    On goodness and evil in the world 1 Reply

     Referring to good and evil K says'goodness is not in time'.Do we not find goodness in time?or goodness is not there here in time?we find many happenings and acts of goodness here in this world!and not always and everywhere is evil found here . probably Goodness as indicated by K is something beyond the world and other planets.Is it true?can we cotemplate upon?Continue

    Tags: time., world, evil, good, Contemplate

    Started by kant. Last reply by kant on Thursday.

    On goodness and evil in the world 9 Replies

     Referring to good and evil K says'goodness is not in time'.Do we not find goodness in time?or goodness is not there here in time?we find many happenings and acts of goodness here in this world!and not always and everywhere is evil found here . probably Goodness as indicated by K is something beyond the world and other planets.Is it true?can we cotemplate upon?Continue

    Tags: time., world, evil, good, Contemplate

    Started by kant. Last reply by kant on Thursday.

    When K returns, what will you do with him? 199 Replies

    It may be a hundred years from now, or ten years from now, or next year, or this year, but what will you do with the man or the woman who embodies the teachings as K embodies the teachings? Suppose he is a man, what will you do with him?Is this a strange question to pose? Probably it is. But let’s open it up and see what gets revealed.At some point in the future, hopefully, a human being who is totally serious about the teachings is going to arrive at that point where there is for him no…Continue

    Started by Paul Dimmock. Last reply by mohd ali Sep 16.

    On Separation 5 Replies

    The word ''separation' comes frequently in K 'literature.Due to separation man suffers, but in unity or oneness suffering end totally. what are these terms? and by understanding these thoroughly probably we will be surpassing all sufferings.if living is in oneness man is in great peace.otherwise living  is hell, so to say!can we discuss?Continue

    Tags: separation, living, ending, peace, unity

    Started by kant. Last reply by kant Sep 11.

    You only give yourself away when you tell someone how they feel. 6 Replies

    Everything you say bounces off me and sticks on you. To think you can tell someone what they are doing is clear evidence of a manipulative judgmental authoritarian.  Perhaps you're not clear that you're avoiding the problem by talking about an illusion when everyone who reads your words can see right through you. In short, you would hate it if you knew that you're giving yourself away. Perhaps this will show you how it feels to have someone tell you how you feel? It's just silly. Is it…Continue

    Started by kiszka. Last reply by kiszka Sep 8.

    K's 'solution' 18 Replies

    "In awareness there is no becoming, there is no end to be gained. There is silent observation without choice and condemnation, from which there comes understanding. In this process when thought and feeling unfold themselves, which is only possible when there is neither acquisition nor acceptance, then there comes an extensional awareness, all the hidden layers and their significance are revealed. This awareness reveals that creative emptiness which cannot be imagined or formulated. This…Continue

    Started by Chris Dent. Last reply by Peter Stephens Sep 5.

    Distraction 6 Replies

    Human mind's desire distraction. It needs image creating  distraction. It has fear to face other humans without the  images. The movies and fictions are highly popular as these are convenient distraction and ensuring the human mind comfort levels.Lot of activities are also ensures the efficient distraction. The social media gives comfortable distraction.All these distraction ensures that mind is not free.We are not even aware that we engage yourself in distraction and in illusion that we are…Continue

    Started by Shekar. Last reply by kant Sep 1.

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