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The story of no-story

It's one of the most seductive of all the many tales of the non-duality crowd, right up there with pure awareness: the story of no-story ... i.e. the notion that one can live without stories, bathed in "truth" and "actuality." 

But *is* it a story? Can one, in fact, live without images of any kind (because images *are* stories): verbal, visual, imagined, triggered by sensory perception? 

In moments, perhaps. When one feels deep wonder, or love, or connectedness ... is the story…


Posted by rachMiel on February 7, 2016 at 5:42am — 25 Comments

Reality Actuality and thought as a system and the forth wall.

Fair observation has shown that the new born identifies itelf with the mother or whoever it find itself with at birth.Without getting into too much depth into why and wherefore for this observable fact ,here the accentuation will be on how it affects ordinary psychological growth into separation when the child identifies himself or herself of not being 'one with the mother'.Any negative correlation for this can be found in studies specific to Feral childrens.

There are many who dont…


Posted by mohd ali on February 6, 2016 at 2:46pm

Just Desire to be in THAT state

Dear friends I feel it is the will of 'God' that determines whether any one of us can be in THAT State or not.I know most of us don't like the word 'God' hence I substitute it with 'Desire'.'Desire?' Is not 'Desire' is a prohibitory word in spiritual field?

Just 'Desire 'to be in that state.Don`t make any effort as there is no use in making any effort as all efforts are linked to 'Thought'.Just check yourself whether THAT thought(!?) is alive OR not,burning OR NOT.There is a chance,I…


Posted by s s v ramana rao on February 6, 2016 at 9:33am

A great sermon

Posted by Jahan on February 3, 2016 at 4:26pm — 3 Comments

Sharing stories around the campfire :-)

That's what we're doing here, isn't it: sharing stories with each other.

We find certain stories more compelling, others less. Some seem closer to the "truth" (a very juicy story for seekers), some far far away. We might feel driven to defend a story, or attack it.

The storyteller is also a story.

Stories living in and with and through stories. To paraphrase my Aunt Jeanne: We're not very good at reality.

Posted by rachMiel on January 28, 2016 at 10:33am — 6 Comments

Different beliefs are probably the root cause of all chaos in this world.

Beliefs are manifold, these vary from from person to person.
Can we live happily in the society with persons with varying beliefs , in conjugal,societal, familywise and worldwide lives?
Probaly these varying beliefs In religious, economic fields are the root cause of chaos in the world.
Therefore is this not a problem of utmost importance now in this world?

Posted by kant on January 28, 2016 at 6:43am

Mind is the maker of all problems

Mind is the maker of all problems.if one wants all problems to be over then mind must die, this is called 'Mano nasa', in Vedanta Philosophy.This is so very clear and therefore so very useful for man' s peace and happiness in his, her day to day life. Sri Raman Maharshi has taught this ,also J.K. Has.

Posted by kant on January 27, 2016 at 7:09pm


When you have come to see and realize what-is, the nature of observation becomes timeless. It seems like an infinite patience. Let's say I am in sorrow. There is no movement away from it because all movements have been done and finished and therefore now sorrow is all pure by itself. Or pain, the pain of losing something of value, like K used the example of one losing a son who died, pain remains with observation, or pain remains painful all by and in itself without any slight thought to…


Posted by Si on January 20, 2016 at 11:31am — 54 Comments

Krishnamurti und Negativität

Im deutschen Forum wird derzeit die Frage diskutiert:

Machen Krishnamurtis Aussagen Hoffnung?

Die Fragestellung wird auf folgende Weise begründet:

Meinem Eindruck nach hören viele hauptsächlich den Teil der Aussagen von K,  in welchen vom Enden und von Freiheit die Rede ist. 

Er sagt z.B. am Ende einer Ausführung : "Choiceless awareness wholly dissolves our conflicts and miseries."

Auf dt.: "Bewusstheit…


Posted by Walter K on January 19, 2016 at 8:28am


Truth, God or what you will, is not something to be experienced, for the experiencer is the result of time, the result of memory, of the past, and so long as there is the experiencer there cannot be reality. There is reality only when the mind is completely free from the analyser, from the experiencer and the experienced. Then you will find the answer, then you will see that the change comes without your asking, that the state of creative emptiness is not a thing to be cultivated - it is…


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    Memory 98 Replies

    What is memory?The word is from Latin, memor, meaning mindful, to bring to mind. I can know about myself, where I am, what I am doing. I can know people, places, the city, do a job, and have a general knowledge about the world, society, science, sport, business, and so on. I can carry a conversation, and discuss topics. Yet ask me any easy quiz question and I have no answers. I can read about a topic, study a language, and within a few minutes I struggle to recall the words. I watch TV and…Continue

    Started by Peter Stephens. Last reply by tree 3 hours ago.

    Helping the world.

    Do thoughts and discussions here help the world?If it helps, how?And in what directions?It is not intended to discourage, critisize anybody at all.Only i want to discuss in a new direction, thanks and wish best to all.Continue

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    Intelligence 149 Replies

    Intelligence arises from the interaction of awareness and *right* thought.Awareness detects. Thought processes.When awareness detects something and right thought interprets it "accurately," intelligence manifests. Discernment, insight, wisdom, peacefulness ... these are all forms of intelligence. Awareness, thought, intelligence: the triad of a healthy awake mind. That's how I see it, anyway, in late January of 2016. You? Continue

    Started by rachMiel. Last reply by rachMiel 8 hours ago.

    Are Mind and Brain One and The Same? 67 Replies

    From my point of view the brain is nothing more than a hunk of meat.  Operating from conditioning the brain is the divider.  Through meditation this can be seen, not conceptualized, but seen.  Total, or direct perception is of the mind, not the brain.In another discussion, someone has been insisting the brain is all there is, what do you think?   Continue

    Started by n{}. Last reply by tree 9 hours ago.

    Thought vs Observation 1317 Replies

    All these years of participating in dialogues pertaining to K seem to have accomplished absolutely nothing.  Nothing has changed in my life.   Thought still rules, and where thought rules, there is no observation.  Broadly speaking, of course.  In the margins one might argue otherwise, but that would merely be a waste of time.Is there something I'm doing wrong.  Or is there something I'm failing to do?  But when I look around, much the same picture appears everywhere.  And of course K did…Continue

    Started by Hermann Janzen. Last reply by Hermann Janzen 17 hours ago.

    Meditation. 6 Replies

    Say you are interested in meditation. You want to find the quiet space in the mind. Unavoidably you will be thinking of an activity. You may not realise this very exercise is setting up the mind to be just as occupied as it was before, and any sense of quietness is contrived. You may find the various methods of meditation interesting, even providing some ease, but basically you have adopted a technique for producing a result, and any result is  activity, not quietness.The mind occupied in…Continue

    Started by Peter Stephens. Last reply by Peter Stephens yesterday.

    Who is seeking? 8 Replies

    When we are in conflict, we seek a remedy, which is surely one of our biggest deceptions.  That is, we are seeking an answer, not an understanding involving mind and heart.  We want to skip over the details, the feelings, the obsessions, the fears; and get right to the answer. It is for this reason that so many people turn to religion, meditation, drink, drugs, or whatever; because our most pressing wish is to arrive, to be rid of conflict rather than give ourselves to understand it with full…Continue

    Started by Charles Robichaud. Last reply by bruce yesterday.

    Awareness 263 Replies

    To me, awareness is simply the detection of phenomena. You are aware of: colors, shapes, movement, sounds, touch, thoughts, emotions, awareness itself. Awareness doesn't do anything to what it detects; it just detects it. It's like reception on a radio. This all seems so clear to me ... but for millenia Eastern teachers of all ilk have said that awareness is far more than the mere detection of phenomena. The carrot held out is that if you deepen your awareness (via meditation, mindfulness,…Continue

    Started by rachMiel. Last reply by bruce on Thursday.

    Perception - pure, direct and total. Is there such a thing? 132 Replies

     K talked of a pure, direct or total perception. What precisely did he mean by his use of these terms in relation to perception, because as many visual illusions seem to demonstrate, what we ordinarily see or perceive is continually being put together and modified by mental processes that in themselves limit and condition what is seen. Unless there can be a perception entirely free from conditioning, entirely free from interpretation and interference, or in other words, a perception not touched…Continue

    Started by Paul Sylvan. Last reply by Rithu on Tuesday.

    Geisteshaltung = die zugrunde liegenden Eigenschaften 5 Replies

    Du beginnst alles mit Dir, aber niemals bei Dir || Das heißt|bedeutet:Was beginnt|begann, das ist bedeutungslos - das, was endet, nichtContinue

    Started by Michael Jordan. Last reply by ren Jan 31.



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