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Goodness shows itself in behaviour and action and in relationship. Generally our daily behaviour is based on either the following of certain patterns – mechanical and therefore superficial – or according to very carefully thought-out motive, based on reward or punishment. So our behaviour, consciously or unconsciously, is calculated. This is not good behaviour. When one realizes this, not merely intellectually or by putting words together, then good behaviour comes out of negating what it is not.
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The Hard Problem -- An Essay
A good essay by Hedda Hassel Mørch, Norwegian philosopher and postdoctoral researcher.
Like the hard problem of consciousness, the hard problem of matter cannot be solved by experiment and observation or by gathering more physical detail. This will only reveal more structure, at least as long as physics remains a discipline dedicated to capturing reality in mathematical terms.…
Posted by Senthil on November 21, 2019 at 1:43pm
A New Beginning
I would like to discuss the possibility of a new beginning. Do you see a new beginning or would you say it is impossible, acknowledging the fact of the life you lead, I lead, we lead. Is a new beginning an actuality or is something theoretical, an idea, a hope that is imagined? If it is possible, what is required? I'm not asking what needs to happen first, lets not play that game, but what is required now?
" In ending, there is…
ContinuePosted by Pilgrim on November 20, 2019 at 8:01am — 12 Comments
Actuality
I would like to explore this word, "actuality," how K used it and what it may mean to us in exploring ourselves in relationship to people, things and ideas. Let me first express what the blogger sees. First, there is no authority in what the blogger sees and you may see these things differently, so we should discuss it together. What the blogger sees is that "actuality" is "what is" and "what is" is what is actually happening now. And, though "what is" is actually happening now, the what…
ContinuePosted by Pilgrim on November 15, 2019 at 8:56am — 11 Comments
The blind cannot see
This solves everything.
Yet by projecting a partial blindness, everyone seems to believe they can.
Posted by bruce sean on November 6, 2019 at 2:30pm — 72 Comments
Awakening the light within
I'd like to discuss what this light is here:
In another forum I've stated that it is both attention (pure seeing, Looking. By this I mean remaining on the fact without jumping to the next thought, away from it, be it any problem. A fact cannot be changed, your feeling towards it can. This looking without the movement of thought,…
ContinuePosted by Viktor Antoniussen on October 31, 2019 at 2:19pm — 9 Comments
Observing "What Is" Without Thought
"So can there be a learning, that is, watching, observing, without any sense of accumulation, so that the mind is always fresh to learn? It is only such a mind is a free mind. So can the mind be free of thought in observing, in learning? Because you see one wants to learn, naturally, seeing the transient nature of our life, the exhaustion of pleasure revived by thought, given continuity to pleasure by thought, seeing…
ContinuePosted by Pilgrim on October 29, 2019 at 9:00am — 24 Comments
Can the pattern see?
There are those who suggest that in consciousness there is more than the pattern, like attention, “ ‘choiceless‘ awareness“, observation, love, compassion and what not. Obviously, the presence of the pattern denies all that.
Then there are those who suggest that awareness awakens within the pattern, which is to suggest the same thing, that there is something else in consciousness, besides the pattern.
Others suggest that the pattern is not always there. They don’t say…
ContinuePosted by bruce sean on October 27, 2019 at 3:24pm — 10 Comments
When is truth?
As long as 'me,mine,and myself'etc are ,truth is not!
Posted by kant on October 9, 2019 at 8:13pm — 34 Comments
Trading the manual for the Universe
Recently someone from this forum asked me a question. In response I am quoting some words of Roland my newly found friend at the Krishnmaurti forum where I am a member. This might give him an insight.
The post is verbatim.
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Trading the…
ContinuePosted by Charlie on October 5, 2019 at 8:00pm — 2 Comments
Consciousness
A few past posts from different threads here will come in handy for future reference.
Chris: Thought denies awareness, but only as an idea. Thought is nothing but ideas.
B: "The very presence of thought denies awareness."
Chris: This is just thought thinking about its idea of what awareness is. Thought, thinking about itself, says there is nothing but 'what I think'. This is Paul's argument, that thought is the whole of what I am. Only…
ContinuePosted by bruce sean on September 30, 2019 at 2:00pm — 77 Comments
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The Undoing Project
this is a 10 hour audio only https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x838HAfypNQ&t=488s Continue
Started by kiszka 2 hours ago.
We don't feel that responsibility 169 Replies
Paul: "We live as divided fragments. That’s also the ‘what is.’ So what matters is not the undivided movement of life but this division in our daily life, which is the central fact for human beings in their relationships to one another. About all this, we can have a dialogue."K: What shall we talk over together this morning? The utter chaos that exists around us, in the world, sometimes a little less, sometimes more, we human beings have created this society - the misery, the poverty, the…Continue
Started by Howard Ward. Last reply by Chris Dent 2 hours ago.
What is Listening? 56 Replies
K: So, if you will this morning apply the art, the art of listening. We rarely listen to anybody. We are so full of our own conclusions, our own experiences, our own problems, our own judgements, so we have no space in which to listen. We ought to have some space so that as two friends, you and I, the speaker, are talking over together their problems, amicably, under the shade of a tree, sitting down and looking at the mountains, but concerned with their problems, and so they are willing to…Continue
Started by Howard Ward. Last reply by kiszka 4 hours ago.
A New Society 11 Replies
And we do need a new society, and that society is not going to be created by anybody except by you. I do not think we feel the immense responsibility of this. That is the first thing that matters. Because that is the foundation, which is righteous behavior, right conduct - not the conduct of a pattern, but the conduct which comes about through learning. If you are all the time learning, that very learning brings about its own righteous action. Therefore it is only the religious mind that can…Continue
Started by Howard Ward. Last reply by skyblack yesterday.
What is a Religious Mind?
K: So we must find out what is a religious mind because a religious mind brings about a new world, a new civilisation, a new culture, a new outburst of energy. So one must find out for oneself, not be told, not be directed, not to be explained like a lot of children, what is a religious mind. Obviously all the religions in the world are the result of a great deal of intrigue, property, a great deal of wealth, all put together by thought. There is no denying that, however erudite you are,…Continue
Started by Howard Ward on Tuesday.
The Dialogue Group - a story 2 Replies
Once upon a time a group of young friends got together to inquire into the nature of existence. Because they all had different beliefs and opinions about it they soon saw that if there was to be any consensus about what ‘what is’ actually is, they would need to question those thoughts and beliefs to see if any of them were actually true.It was suggested that they could ask if there could be an awareness of ‘what is’ without thought, without those beliefs and opinions. So, obviously they had to…Continue
Started by Chris Dent. Last reply by Shiva Kebeka on Monday.
Consciousness and its content 8 Replies
Consciousness and content of consciousness“Is there any possibility of a change in consciousness? Or is any change made consciously no change at all? To talk about a change in consciousness implies changing from this to that. When we say there must be a change in consciousness, it is still within the field of consciousness. Change within the same area is no change at all. That is, the content of consciousness is consciousness and the two are not separate. When we talk about changing, we are…Continue
Started by Chris Dent. Last reply by kant on Monday.
Ten Years After
Reply by kiszka on June 7, 2010 at 10:30am As one move ahead in his path... way back there, when this was said... we see, someone who is not conversant in JK... they have their buddhist agreement to reach together here === the complete disagreement of the nature of nature === meaning empty - naturally - if you are using the word soul to define first self, then god, then tool, we have to throw out the WORD because it is not useful? can we agree on what-is? so as to be able to speak the same…Continue
Started by kiszka Nov 14.
The Commonplace 12 Replies
The commonplace psyche is the cornerstone of our self-image, we imagine ourself up . we are told a lot of things about things by other people from people we trust . we learn to speak . navigate . then we have to deal with people who play with power for money instead of for the good-of-it . with power is threat . it is dangerous to oppose power-for-its-own-sake . we pretend to believe it if we know what is good for US Continue
Started by kiszka. Last reply by kiszka Nov 14.
The Core of the Teachings 16 Replies
J. KrishnamurtiTHE CORE OF THE TEACHINGS(The following statement was written by Krishnamurti himself on October 21, 1980 in which he summarises the teachings. It may be copied and used provided this is done in its entirety. No editing or change of any kind is permitted. No extracts may be used.)"The core of Krishnamurti's teaching is contained in the statement he made in 1929 when he said: 'Truth is a pathless land'. Man cannot come to it through any organisation, through any creed, through any…Continue
Started by Chris Dent. Last reply by Peter Stephens Nov 14.
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